You might need to put up some signs in Chicago that say "All Federal ICE and Law Enforcement agents must be clearly identifiable and may not cover their faces."
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Now I am just a humble teacher. But I know a thing or two about making rules and really I HATE to make a rule... because it means I must think about exactly what I will do when it isn't respected. Every single branching outcome. And is it worth it.
I think this rule is worth it.
It better not be the people of Chicago yelling for it to be followed.
@futurebird @jrconlin I also want our PD’s to have a policy that says: “if the PD observes federal agents behaving in a way that a reasonable officer would consider to be law-breaking, this is the response we require”
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What is more important here is that all these law enforcement guys talk to each other. If word gets out that CPD is doing training or even just getting calls when ICE shows up they will be more likely to follow the rules.
I'm very concerned they will ignore them and say "what are you going to do?"
If Chicago wants to assert autonomy it is critical that these rules are respected.
I don't think the leadership in ICE will tell them they can ignore the rules, but they may make it clear that it is "up to discretion" or some nonsense if they keep hiding their identities or not.
Let's not forget why they are hiding: it's because they are doing shameful work, often incompetently, violently and alienating and disappointing the public.
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I don't think the leadership in ICE will tell them they can ignore the rules, but they may make it clear that it is "up to discretion" or some nonsense if they keep hiding their identities or not.
Let's not forget why they are hiding: it's because they are doing shameful work, often incompetently, violently and alienating and disappointing the public.
There have been some interviews that show ICE officers find the job demoralizing. More experienced officers miss going after "more important" cases where the people they were picking up were more likely to be...well criminals. They used to feel like they were doing something positive and now they don't. But those cases didn't generate enough detentions. Easier to sweep up innocent people.
Having people yell at you while you do your job is very depressing. Keep it coming.
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There have been some interviews that show ICE officers find the job demoralizing. More experienced officers miss going after "more important" cases where the people they were picking up were more likely to be...well criminals. They used to feel like they were doing something positive and now they don't. But those cases didn't generate enough detentions. Easier to sweep up innocent people.
Having people yell at you while you do your job is very depressing. Keep it coming.
They love to claim it's about safety and fear of being doxed.
There isn't really much to support this as a real danger. I think it's that they don't want people to know what they do. Often ICE officers pretend to be regular police when dating. Because who'd want to go on a date with ICE?
(or police... but that might just be me)
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They love to claim it's about safety and fear of being doxed.
There isn't really much to support this as a real danger. I think it's that they don't want people to know what they do. Often ICE officers pretend to be regular police when dating. Because who'd want to go on a date with ICE?
(or police... but that might just be me)
ICE has been on a hiring spree and picked up a lot of sad men who were rejected by their local PD for not meeting the standards (I suppose they do exist after all... also *shudder* what could that mean?)
So these are boys in men's bodies who always longed to be taken seriously without even the most basic qualities needed for someone given the powers of law enforcement.
ICE has almost no standards and their newer agents like to think they are a real cop. They are not even that.
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This may be more effective if you sound like a white woman on the phone or can show up and do this as a white woman in person.
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Would it be more effective for a white man to use his privileges than a white woman who might be likely dismissed by macho-macho-boys in blue? -
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Would it be more effective for a white man to use his privileges than a white woman who might be likely dismissed by macho-macho-boys in blue? -
ICE has been on a hiring spree and picked up a lot of sad men who were rejected by their local PD for not meeting the standards (I suppose they do exist after all... also *shudder* what could that mean?)
So these are boys in men's bodies who always longed to be taken seriously without even the most basic qualities needed for someone given the powers of law enforcement.
ICE has almost no standards and their newer agents like to think they are a real cop. They are not even that.
@futurebird @jrconlin They are so desperately eager to swing the cudgel and demand we respect their authority!
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@futurebird @jrconlin They are so desperately eager to swing the cudgel and demand we respect their authority!
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There have been some interviews that show ICE officers find the job demoralizing. More experienced officers miss going after "more important" cases where the people they were picking up were more likely to be...well criminals. They used to feel like they were doing something positive and now they don't. But those cases didn't generate enough detentions. Easier to sweep up innocent people.
Having people yell at you while you do your job is very depressing. Keep it coming.
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@futurebird @jrconlin I mean, it is literally de-moral-izing. In that it is destructive of their morality.
When people say they don't care if they are protested or yelled at that's a lie.
No normal human being enjoys the derision and anger of other people. Even if they try to dismiss those people in their minds as unimportant and knowing nothing it still gets through.
That feeling of being watched and disliked hurts. It makes you want to hide your face.
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This is an excellent idea that meets the challenge and minimizes conflict and embarrassment.
If they are really going to do this the local PDs need to practice. If I were a Chicago resident I would:
1. call my local precinct and whilst burying my deep dislike of police
2. first praise the Mayor's statement, gush about how much safer you feel.
3. Freak out about how scary it all is.
4. Ask how they are preparing to ensure the rules are followed.@futurebird @jrconlin I'd love to live in a world where this tactic worked, and I don't disparage it; it might. By the Chicago police are notoriously brutal, and in every other city the police have bent over backwards to support ICE as much as possible given local regulations.
If I were the mayor of Chicago, I'd try to pass an ordinance banning the use of tear gas, rubber bullets, and as many other "less-lethal" munitions as I could, and then if it passed I'd try to make sure that the police sold these things off or destroyed them. Take away the police ability to restrain angry crowds and the angry crowds will drastically suppress ICE operations; ICE doesn't have the manpower to both round up victims and do crowd control themselves.
If any actually sympathetic police precincts exist (seems highly unlikely to me) they could simply be strategically unavailable to assist with crowd control for ICE, to the same effect. To less effect individual sympathetic officers could call in sick (or y'know, quit their jobs). I don't expect any of this to happen though.
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@futurebird @jrconlin I'd love to live in a world where this tactic worked, and I don't disparage it; it might. By the Chicago police are notoriously brutal, and in every other city the police have bent over backwards to support ICE as much as possible given local regulations.
If I were the mayor of Chicago, I'd try to pass an ordinance banning the use of tear gas, rubber bullets, and as many other "less-lethal" munitions as I could, and then if it passed I'd try to make sure that the police sold these things off or destroyed them. Take away the police ability to restrain angry crowds and the angry crowds will drastically suppress ICE operations; ICE doesn't have the manpower to both round up victims and do crowd control themselves.
If any actually sympathetic police precincts exist (seems highly unlikely to me) they could simply be strategically unavailable to assist with crowd control for ICE, to the same effect. To less effect individual sympathetic officers could call in sick (or y'know, quit their jobs). I don't expect any of this to happen though.
This is exactly why I'm very curious about what if anything is being done to make good on the mayor's promise to protect the people of the city. A promise our useless mayor in NYC would never make since he's too busy eating boots.
PDs generally don't like having other groups come in and get in the way. That the national guard is being sent is a kind of insult to the "quality" of their work. Start there.
