"You're not actually supposed to read that text so this is not an issue." Good job missing the point.

From the article: > Danilov posited that the mistake was either the work of a "careless translator taking shortcuts", or it was "done by someone on the dev/publisher side who couldn't be arsed sending last-minute missing lines for translation and decided to throw them in a random LLM without oversight". > > Handong Ryu, who handled the Korean translation for the game, replied: "I was responsible for translating the vast majority of the Korean version of The Alters. Unfortunately, the same issue exists in the Korean version as well, which makes it more likely that the second scenario you mentioned is closer to the truth. Sounds like this text was either added late in development or simply overlooked until after the last set of translation work had been completed, so the devs decided to let an LLM do it rather than getting billed for another batch of localisation. Very dumb, especially as this puts them in direct violation of the Steam AI disclosure policy, but given the context I guess they figured no one would notice.

There’s more than one argument against AI being used in games, and they don’t all apply to proc gen content. It’s an apples to oranges comparison in most cases.

It *will* be used as a tool in pre-production and early stages of asset creation and *no one* will notice afterwards.

You're expecting it to be used responsibly when we ourselves in general are very lacking in that department. This here is a very good example of the actual use that will happen. A rush job to meet unrealistic deadlines. And that's what *will* happen as is the norm.

Love and hate are subjective opinions, so of course they're unfair. And so are upvotes/downvotes.

If you don't know the difference between procedural generation and generative AI, you are not qualified to have an opinion on the subject

Damn, I was looking forward to playing this. Glad I read this first

While your statement is objectively true, it does not pertain to the comment you replied to. Read it again, they were making a comparison. They did not claim that the two things were identical.

You must be young. proc gen used to get tons of hate in the 2010 and such era, gamers complained about devs being lazy and not being willing to actually make levels/worlds/dungeons/whatever. This complaint was of course inconsistently applied. These days people mostly just got used to it as normal. In 10 or 20 years, I'd wager the same will be true of gen ai.

I feel like it does. theunknownmuncher thinks it's somehow inconsistent to be against generative AI while being ok with procedural generation, which implies that they think they're equivalent in some way

both are used to produce more content with less effort. There's your equivalence. What would actually add value to the conversation is discussing why a particular criticism of one may or may not apply to the other. I actually disagree with the original premise, and explained why in another comment.

And yet you couldn't describe one aspect of the differences

LOL care to educate me on why one is acceptable and the other is not, then? I'll wait. (reality: it's a minor implementation detail and has no relevance to the user)

I'm not and it's always been consistently praised.

Sharing one thing in common does not make two things equivalent You're welcome to try again

> both are used to produce more content with less effort. There's your equivalence. Bingo. > As if the reason people don't like generative AI is because it makes bad games. Nice, point proven. If it doesn't make games bad, then the complaints are simply invalid and bandwagoning, and developers cannot be faulted for using it. LOL

Your previous comment proved my point, thanks

you demanded an equivalence. I gave you one. If you don't like it then that's a you problem.

There's a number of reasons, not least of which being that generative AI works by processing vast amounts of prior work (without their creators' consent) to make a facsimile of it, while procedural generation only manipulates assets the developer creates. Procedural generation isn't putting artists and writers out of business. Also, procedural generation isn't making Idiocracy a reality, with fucking English majors unable to read Dickens without asking OpenAI to interpret the text for them. "They do similar things" doesn't mean they're equivalent.