The thing about a jobs report is you can verify that data.
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The thing about a jobs report is you can verify that data. You can check if it is correct.
If, a president suspected that an evil Labor Department employee was making the numbers worse it shouldn't be hard to show, you know, evidence of this.
It's not a subjective report. It's based on social security and hard numbers.
So, if you fire the person the same day the report comes out without even pretending to debunk it? That's just political emotion-based reasoning.
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The thing about a jobs report is you can verify that data. You can check if it is correct.
If, a president suspected that an evil Labor Department employee was making the numbers worse it shouldn't be hard to show, you know, evidence of this.
It's not a subjective report. It's based on social security and hard numbers.
So, if you fire the person the same day the report comes out without even pretending to debunk it? That's just political emotion-based reasoning.
As for "now we can't trust the numbers anymore" --probably. I'd be scared to put out a bad report if I had that job, however.
We should also be able to show where the report detaches from reality.
The real issue is that we can all see that nobody is hiring. Fake good reports can only glaze over so much.
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The thing about a jobs report is you can verify that data. You can check if it is correct.
If, a president suspected that an evil Labor Department employee was making the numbers worse it shouldn't be hard to show, you know, evidence of this.
It's not a subjective report. It's based on social security and hard numbers.
So, if you fire the person the same day the report comes out without even pretending to debunk it? That's just political emotion-based reasoning.
The stock market and Fed are treating this report like it's real. Interesting.
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As for "now we can't trust the numbers anymore" --probably. I'd be scared to put out a bad report if I had that job, however.
We should also be able to show where the report detaches from reality.
The real issue is that we can all see that nobody is hiring. Fake good reports can only glaze over so much.
2+2=5
"The Russian Army is well supplied and ready to stage a protracted invasion without any problems"It's NUMBERS
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As for "now we can't trust the numbers anymore" --probably. I'd be scared to put out a bad report if I had that job, however.
We should also be able to show where the report detaches from reality.
The real issue is that we can all see that nobody is hiring. Fake good reports can only glaze over so much.
I don't understand what you mean here. Of course the data are now bad. More importantly, they are now impossible to check. The report can not be based on "social security and hard numbers" when the organization counting those numbers is itself corrupted.
"we can all see that no one is hiring" can we? This becomes a contest of anecdotes.
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I don't understand what you mean here. Of course the data are now bad. More importantly, they are now impossible to check. The report can not be based on "social security and hard numbers" when the organization counting those numbers is itself corrupted.
"we can all see that no one is hiring" can we? This becomes a contest of anecdotes.
If the count for SS enrollment and payments is bad it is all over. I would think this would be very hard data to mess with since it's very public and has a deep history.
But, now you are freaking me out and I want to see who is monitoring that data independently. I knew of at least one non-profit that did to track poverty... hmm.
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As for "now we can't trust the numbers anymore" --probably. I'd be scared to put out a bad report if I had that job, however.
We should also be able to show where the report detaches from reality.
The real issue is that we can all see that nobody is hiring. Fake good reports can only glaze over so much.
I expect this position will be filled by someone with no experience or history working with government stats. Because anyone with experience knows that unless the jobs numbers really improve they will be in an impossible place.
Trying to fake up a jobs report. I don't think it will go well? Not if it's more than a little nudge.
That is why the old numbers had to be revised. People were starting to talk about how they didn't match.
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I expect this position will be filled by someone with no experience or history working with government stats. Because anyone with experience knows that unless the jobs numbers really improve they will be in an impossible place.
Trying to fake up a jobs report. I don't think it will go well? Not if it's more than a little nudge.
That is why the old numbers had to be revised. People were starting to talk about how they didn't match.
There are so many organizations with all kinds of agendas that pour over these numbers ... it's kind of like peer review in a way.
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There are so many organizations with all kinds of agendas that pour over these numbers ... it's kind of like peer review in a way.
I guess what they could do is change the number they release. From "jobs added" to "freedom jobs added" and have a different way of adding them up (count every job three times or whatever)
But then all the organizations that use the data for historical comparisons will be mad and want the old numbers. But maybe that's what we'll get.
"Newspeak Jobs Total" It's day one of history.
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I guess what they could do is change the number they release. From "jobs added" to "freedom jobs added" and have a different way of adding them up (count every job three times or whatever)
But then all the organizations that use the data for historical comparisons will be mad and want the old numbers. But maybe that's what we'll get.
"Newspeak Jobs Total" It's day one of history.
Investment bankers, the most precious Americans, love the jobs report. They use it to do their projections and make money.
Well the honest(er) ones do.
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The thing about a jobs report is you can verify that data. You can check if it is correct.
If, a president suspected that an evil Labor Department employee was making the numbers worse it shouldn't be hard to show, you know, evidence of this.
It's not a subjective report. It's based on social security and hard numbers.
So, if you fire the person the same day the report comes out without even pretending to debunk it? That's just political emotion-based reasoning.
Isn't most of the skullduggery to do with the denominator -- e.g. how people are seeking jobs, how many are "able bodied", etc. There's a lot of definitions to be dishonest about -- and then make numbers that don't compare.
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Isn't most of the skullduggery to do with the denominator -- e.g. how people are seeking jobs, how many are "able bodied", etc. There's a lot of definitions to be dishonest about -- and then make numbers that don't compare.
Unemployment numbers are much much more fuzzy. But "new jobs added" isn't. Because for most jobs you need to file paperwork for social security. (even if you don't pay into it because it's part time)
