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A forum for discussing and organizing recreational softball and baseball games and leagues in the greater Halifax area.

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  • myrmepropagandistF This user is from outside of this forum
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    ... tax returns.

    Donald Trump never released his tax returns for the years leading up to him entering office. Democrats tried to make an issue of this, but since there isn't any *law* that forces transparency we have people like Pelosi doing the soft corruption of stock deals and we know all about it, but we know much less about Trump and others.

    I still want to see those tax returns because I think they may be connected to another set of famous files not exposed.

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    • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

      ... tax returns.

      Donald Trump never released his tax returns for the years leading up to him entering office. Democrats tried to make an issue of this, but since there isn't any *law* that forces transparency we have people like Pelosi doing the soft corruption of stock deals and we know all about it, but we know much less about Trump and others.

      I still want to see those tax returns because I think they may be connected to another set of famous files not exposed.

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      Remember when pressuring Trump to release his tax returns was the biggest scandal that many of us thought would make him unfit for office?

      There was a lesson in how that played out. The people asked him to follow some of the same rules that apply to all of us and he told us "No. I am exceptional." And I think this impressed some people, because to them the voices prattling on about "show us your tax returns" were elitist snobs on MSNBC.

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      • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

        Remember when pressuring Trump to release his tax returns was the biggest scandal that many of us thought would make him unfit for office?

        There was a lesson in how that played out. The people asked him to follow some of the same rules that apply to all of us and he told us "No. I am exceptional." And I think this impressed some people, because to them the voices prattling on about "show us your tax returns" were elitist snobs on MSNBC.

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        But, this was the start of a pattern of breaking boundaries. Violations.

        And it helped him grow popular with some people because to them it was the self-important news hosts liberal politicians who were being put in their place. "He told the elites no! And they couldn't stop him!"

        But, it still meant that none of us got to see those tax returns. None of us know his conflicts of interest. But it's just taxes, right? They all cheat anyway, don't they?

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        • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

          But, this was the start of a pattern of breaking boundaries. Violations.

          And it helped him grow popular with some people because to them it was the self-important news hosts liberal politicians who were being put in their place. "He told the elites no! And they couldn't stop him!"

          But, it still meant that none of us got to see those tax returns. None of us know his conflicts of interest. But it's just taxes, right? They all cheat anyway, don't they?

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          With the Epstein files Trump gave some of his base the experience we've all been having for a long time. He told them "No."

          And then he went on to coddle Maxwell, basically saying "You don't get to know this about me. You have no power over me."

          And it's not just taxes this time that's being hidden. It's the identities of many powerful people. Because he's always been on the side of the powerful (as long as they were on his side.)

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            With the Epstein files Trump gave some of his base the experience we've all been having for a long time. He told them "No."

            And then he went on to coddle Maxwell, basically saying "You don't get to know this about me. You have no power over me."

            And it's not just taxes this time that's being hidden. It's the identities of many powerful people. Because he's always been on the side of the powerful (as long as they were on his side.)

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            When asked about who he might pardon our president is remarkably transactional. The first thing he wonders about out loud in interviews on the subject is simply "Is that person loyal to me? What have they done for me?"

            Trump supporters hear "Is that person loyal to US?" The rule of law be dammed. He sat there considering if Diddy should get a pardon and never said anything about if he was guilty or if the trial was fair. The only question: "Is he one of the good ones?"

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              When asked about who he might pardon our president is remarkably transactional. The first thing he wonders about out loud in interviews on the subject is simply "Is that person loyal to me? What have they done for me?"

              Trump supporters hear "Is that person loyal to US?" The rule of law be dammed. He sat there considering if Diddy should get a pardon and never said anything about if he was guilty or if the trial was fair. The only question: "Is he one of the good ones?"

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              @futurebird

              All leaders think this way. Trump is more honest about it and that offends people who want to preserve their unfounded ideas that imperial leaders are good people.

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              • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                When asked about who he might pardon our president is remarkably transactional. The first thing he wonders about out loud in interviews on the subject is simply "Is that person loyal to me? What have they done for me?"

                Trump supporters hear "Is that person loyal to US?" The rule of law be dammed. He sat there considering if Diddy should get a pardon and never said anything about if he was guilty or if the trial was fair. The only question: "Is he one of the good ones?"

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                Being "one of the good ones" is no way to live.

                Pardons should be about correcting the course of the justice system. The president shouldn't hawk perfume and cryptocurrencies.

                Everyone *isn't* "in on the fix", or skimming off the top. I don't know how we claw our way back from this pit of cynicism.

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                  @futurebird

                  All leaders think this way. Trump is more honest about it and that offends people who want to preserve their unfounded ideas that imperial leaders are good people.

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                  @richpuchalsky

                  "All leaders think this way."

                  All? Always?

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                    @richpuchalsky

                    "All leaders think this way."

                    All? Always?

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                    @futurebird

                    All leaders of an imperial state do, yes. They just don't tell people about it.

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                      @futurebird

                      All leaders think this way. Trump is more honest about it and that offends people who want to preserve their unfounded ideas that imperial leaders are good people.

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                      @richpuchalsky @futurebird Dear god I am beyond sick of both-sides BS when it comes to our current president. Holier-than-thou nonsense.

                      This is the EXACT same argument that MAGA supporters use. “All the other politicians do the same stuff, but Trump is the only one honest about it!”

                      Just wanted to make you aware that you are literally parroting the MAGA talking point.

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                        @richpuchalsky @futurebird Dear god I am beyond sick of both-sides BS when it comes to our current president. Holier-than-thou nonsense.

                        This is the EXACT same argument that MAGA supporters use. “All the other politicians do the same stuff, but Trump is the only one honest about it!”

                        Just wanted to make you aware that you are literally parroting the MAGA talking point.

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                        @mls14 @richpuchalsky

                        I don't view "openness about corruption" as positive. But we can agree that this is part of what is going on, right?

                        I hear Trump talking about pardons like a mob boss "what has he done for me lately?" is the only thing he cares about and I'm disgusted.

                        I'm disgusted that it is happening, that it is out in the open and that a segment of people seem to have no higher expectations.

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                          @futurebird

                          All leaders of an imperial state do, yes. They just don't tell people about it.

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                          @futurebird @richpuchalsky

                          All leaders of this particular imperial state are *not* equal. Grift, pay-back, corruption are 100-fold worse under Trump than any recent point in history. Folks who “admire”Trump for “being honest” are simply admitting that they too are transactional and supremacist; they think they will come out on top once the need to follow those pesky and inconvenient rules are stripped away.

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                            @mls14 @richpuchalsky

                            I don't view "openness about corruption" as positive. But we can agree that this is part of what is going on, right?

                            I hear Trump talking about pardons like a mob boss "what has he done for me lately?" is the only thing he cares about and I'm disgusted.

                            I'm disgusted that it is happening, that it is out in the open and that a segment of people seem to have no higher expectations.

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                            @futurebird

                            Yes, he talks like a mob boss. As an anarchist, I oppose all US leaders. The people who defend mob bosses who talk more politely while doing the same things caused the same cynicism that they now decry.

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                              @futurebird @richpuchalsky

                              All leaders of this particular imperial state are *not* equal. Grift, pay-back, corruption are 100-fold worse under Trump than any recent point in history. Folks who “admire”Trump for “being honest” are simply admitting that they too are transactional and supremacist; they think they will come out on top once the need to follow those pesky and inconvenient rules are stripped away.

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                              @DavidM_yeg

                              Blue MAGA in the US tells itself these fairy stories after they voted for and supported genocide. If the only choices are between the guy who supports genocide and says some kind of mealy mouthed deflection about it and the guy who supports genocide who is honest about it so that everyone can agree to hate them, the second guy is less damaging.

                              @futurebird

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                                ... tax returns.

                                Donald Trump never released his tax returns for the years leading up to him entering office. Democrats tried to make an issue of this, but since there isn't any *law* that forces transparency we have people like Pelosi doing the soft corruption of stock deals and we know all about it, but we know much less about Trump and others.

                                I still want to see those tax returns because I think they may be connected to another set of famous files not exposed.

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                                @futurebird I’ve always thought most people missed the point about the tax returns. Some thought he could be embarrassed by the revelation that he pays so little.

                                In fact, the full tax returns — including those for the many interlocking entities in his shifting web of shell companies — would enable journalists and other sleuths to trace decades of immense tax fraud that the IRS has been unable or unwilling to unravel.

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                                  @futurebird

                                  Yes, he talks like a mob boss. As an anarchist, I oppose all US leaders. The people who defend mob bosses who talk more politely while doing the same things caused the same cynicism that they now decry.

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                                  @richpuchalsky

                                  When these things happen with no shame there isn't any material recourse to redress the harm.

                                  THAT is the problem.

                                  And when it becomes clear to people inclined to exploit others that there are no social consequences if they kiss the right rings (or something else) more leaches and bottom feeders will exploit vulnerable people. More people will be harmed.

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                                    @futurebird I’ve always thought most people missed the point about the tax returns. Some thought he could be embarrassed by the revelation that he pays so little.

                                    In fact, the full tax returns — including those for the many interlocking entities in his shifting web of shell companies — would enable journalists and other sleuths to trace decades of immense tax fraud that the IRS has been unable or unwilling to unravel.

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                                    @gleick

                                    I think since there are other less high profile people who benefit from this ... like the Epstein files, it has been allowed to slip away.

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                                      @DavidM_yeg

                                      Blue MAGA in the US tells itself these fairy stories after they voted for and supported genocide. If the only choices are between the guy who supports genocide and says some kind of mealy mouthed deflection about it and the guy who supports genocide who is honest about it so that everyone can agree to hate them, the second guy is less damaging.

                                      @futurebird

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                                      @richpuchalsky @DavidM_yeg

                                      Is everyone who voted for Harris "Blue MAGA" ?

                                      I'm sincerely torn on this. I can't bring myself to be angry at people who didn't vote for Harris over Gaza. I don't even think they were "under-informed" ... they just didn't care about other issues where the difference is much greater as much as I do.

                                      (If they voted for Trump I think it's incredibly simple minded)

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                                        @richpuchalsky @DavidM_yeg

                                        Is everyone who voted for Harris "Blue MAGA" ?

                                        I'm sincerely torn on this. I can't bring myself to be angry at people who didn't vote for Harris over Gaza. I don't even think they were "under-informed" ... they just didn't care about other issues where the difference is much greater as much as I do.

                                        (If they voted for Trump I think it's incredibly simple minded)

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                                        @richpuchalsky @DavidM_yeg

                                        LGBTQ people I care about are being harmed, science is experiencing a huge disruption, racism and sexism are resurgent. This makes it harder for me to be a helpful ally as I'm suddenly very busy.

                                        At the same time there is a rot, that's being expelled from the Democratic party and that could be a good thing.

                                        But how many people will be dead of polio before that happens?

                                        Will the world pull the breaks on the genocide in time?

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                                          @richpuchalsky @DavidM_yeg

                                          Is everyone who voted for Harris "Blue MAGA" ?

                                          I'm sincerely torn on this. I can't bring myself to be angry at people who didn't vote for Harris over Gaza. I don't even think they were "under-informed" ... they just didn't care about other issues where the difference is much greater as much as I do.

                                          (If they voted for Trump I think it's incredibly simple minded)

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                                          @futurebird

                                          "Blue MAGA" refers to a certain subset of Democratic voters like the one guy in this thread who I already blocked -- raised on MSNBC instead of Fox News, fully bought in to US culture war, their people are wonderful etc.

                                          Not all Democratic voters are Blue MAGA. All Democratic voters did, however, vote for and support genocide. They aren't ashamed: why should Trump be?

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