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  • myrmepropagandistF This user is from outside of this forum
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    Reporting on drugs is often unhelpful and sensationalized. The focus is often on strange new names.

    What's really happening is drug dealers are trying to save money by cutting opioids (heroin) with a tranquilizer (Medetomidine) This can kill people in several ways. Aparently there have been some deaths in Pittsburgh due to this.

    Naturally someone addicted to drugs has no recourse if their dealer is dishonest in this way.

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      Reporting on drugs is often unhelpful and sensationalized. The focus is often on strange new names.

      What's really happening is drug dealers are trying to save money by cutting opioids (heroin) with a tranquilizer (Medetomidine) This can kill people in several ways. Aparently there have been some deaths in Pittsburgh due to this.

      Naturally someone addicted to drugs has no recourse if their dealer is dishonest in this way.

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      myrmepropagandistF This user is from outside of this forum
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      "My understanding is that medetomidine is a drug that is not affected by Narcan. So if you overdose on medetomidine, Narcan is not going to save you," Aubele said.

      Yes obviously. It's a tranquilizer not an opioid. It's used on animals. Better reporting would make this more clear.

      Instead this article makes it sound like this is some kind of "super narcan- immune opioid" not great because it might make desperate people try to seek it out.

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      Just tell people how the drugs work. Be honest.

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        Reporting on drugs is often unhelpful and sensationalized. The focus is often on strange new names.

        What's really happening is drug dealers are trying to save money by cutting opioids (heroin) with a tranquilizer (Medetomidine) This can kill people in several ways. Aparently there have been some deaths in Pittsburgh due to this.

        Naturally someone addicted to drugs has no recourse if their dealer is dishonest in this way.

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        Wyatt H KnottW This user is from outside of this forum
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        @futurebird Cutting heroin with tranquilizers (typically veternary tranquilizers,) or just completely replacing the promised heroin with tranquilizers, or some combination of tranqs and benzos, has been common on the street for years. It's so prevalent, and the tranquiizers are so powerful that users will pass out standing up, leading to a hunched over posture that can actually cause permanent back problems.

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        • Wyatt H KnottW Wyatt H Knott

          @futurebird Cutting heroin with tranquilizers (typically veternary tranquilizers,) or just completely replacing the promised heroin with tranquilizers, or some combination of tranqs and benzos, has been common on the street for years. It's so prevalent, and the tranquiizers are so powerful that users will pass out standing up, leading to a hunched over posture that can actually cause permanent back problems.

          Wyatt H KnottW This user is from outside of this forum
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          @futurebird If news outlets are only reporting this NOW, it's because they have an ulterior agenda, and want you to be watching that and not whatever else is going on, because this phenomenon is widespread and well-known, there's been literally hundreds of YT videos about it.

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            Reporting on drugs is often unhelpful and sensationalized. The focus is often on strange new names.

            What's really happening is drug dealers are trying to save money by cutting opioids (heroin) with a tranquilizer (Medetomidine) This can kill people in several ways. Aparently there have been some deaths in Pittsburgh due to this.

            Naturally someone addicted to drugs has no recourse if their dealer is dishonest in this way.

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            MaryM This user is from outside of this forum
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            @futurebird you are so right! As someone working in the field in PA I have seen this over and over again. UPMC docs did a really good webinar with slides around how to treat folks in the EDs. It's mostly medical oriented but it's more along the lines of talking about how the drug works. If you're interested I'm sure I can find it and share a link here later this morning.

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              "My understanding is that medetomidine is a drug that is not affected by Narcan. So if you overdose on medetomidine, Narcan is not going to save you," Aubele said.

              Yes obviously. It's a tranquilizer not an opioid. It's used on animals. Better reporting would make this more clear.

              Instead this article makes it sound like this is some kind of "super narcan- immune opioid" not great because it might make desperate people try to seek it out.

              šŸ˜•

              Just tell people how the drugs work. Be honest.

              myrmepropagandistF This user is from outside of this forum
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              The problem with adding a tranquilizer to an opioid, beyond the obvious danger of dishonest "labeling" is one of dosing.

              An opioid addict may have a very large tolerance and take a very large dose and thus also take a very large dose of tranquilizers they have no tolerance for. Then the tranquilizers kill them.

              See? That's how it works. Why can't the news just explain it?

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                @futurebird you are so right! As someone working in the field in PA I have seen this over and over again. UPMC docs did a really good webinar with slides around how to treat folks in the EDs. It's mostly medical oriented but it's more along the lines of talking about how the drug works. If you're interested I'm sure I can find it and share a link here later this morning.

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                @maryoh

                Simply being factual makes the drugs seem scary enough IMO. This *is* a scary story. The facts are scary.

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                • Wyatt H KnottW Wyatt H Knott

                  @futurebird Cutting heroin with tranquilizers (typically veternary tranquilizers,) or just completely replacing the promised heroin with tranquilizers, or some combination of tranqs and benzos, has been common on the street for years. It's so prevalent, and the tranquiizers are so powerful that users will pass out standing up, leading to a hunched over posture that can actually cause permanent back problems.

                  myrmepropagandistF This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @Wyatt_H_Knott

                  no no no it's a "new" drug! and its mysterious and here are a bunch of goofy words that might mean your kid is on it! (/s)

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                  • Wyatt H KnottW Wyatt H Knott

                    @futurebird If news outlets are only reporting this NOW, it's because they have an ulterior agenda, and want you to be watching that and not whatever else is going on, because this phenomenon is widespread and well-known, there's been literally hundreds of YT videos about it.

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                    @Wyatt_H_Knott

                    The police came to them with the name "flysky" and local news loves a story about a "new" drug.

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                    • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                      @Wyatt_H_Knott

                      The police came to them with the name "flysky" and local news loves a story about a "new" drug.

                      Wyatt H KnottW This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @futurebird That's like reporting that McDonalds has a new cheeseburger called the McCheesy, and the pitch is it's just meat and cheese.

                      šŸ™„

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                      • Wyatt H KnottW Wyatt H Knott

                        @futurebird That's like reporting that McDonalds has a new cheeseburger called the McCheesy, and the pitch is it's just meat and cheese.

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                        @Wyatt_H_Knott

                        But then we'd need the news to confront the uncomfortable fact that their reporting often functions like a commercial for the drugs they talk about.

                        (And this is just another reason to stick to the hard facts. The impression that the news lies about how drugs work prevents people from learning about their dangers. Don't be vague. Don't lie.)

                        It's not a new drug.
                        It's not an opioid.
                        This kind of cutting with tranquilizers is old as the hills.

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