Everyone has been galvanized, in condemning Epstein.
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Everyone has been galvanized, in condemning Epstein. It's been comforting to assume this means there is wider recognition that sexual exploitation through money and power of young vulnerable people is seen as criminal. A violation of self-determination and of bodily autonomy.
I think part of why I keep following this story so closely is the creeping sense that maybe we aren't all talking about the same thing.
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Everyone has been galvanized, in condemning Epstein. It's been comforting to assume this means there is wider recognition that sexual exploitation through money and power of young vulnerable people is seen as criminal. A violation of self-determination and of bodily autonomy.
I think part of why I keep following this story so closely is the creeping sense that maybe we aren't all talking about the same thing.
The hint that this could all unravel comes from the relative indifference of large segments of the public to the obvious womanizing, sexism, and public lechery of the president.
Could there be people who don't see any connection between these things? Or is it that it only matters if you don't like the person doing it?
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The hint that this could all unravel comes from the relative indifference of large segments of the public to the obvious womanizing, sexism, and public lechery of the president.
Could there be people who don't see any connection between these things? Or is it that it only matters if you don't like the person doing it?
One can hope that child rape and sex slavery are still something we can all condemn together.
What I fear is that Democrats won't pound this in the way it needs to be pounded in:
If Trump is in the files, they need to call him an "alleged pedophile" at every opportunity available. When MAGAs get angry, Dems/Libs need to smirk and say "I didn't realize you supported pedophilia, Speaker Johnson"
Every issue needs to be Epstein.
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Everyone has been galvanized, in condemning Epstein. It's been comforting to assume this means there is wider recognition that sexual exploitation through money and power of young vulnerable people is seen as criminal. A violation of self-determination and of bodily autonomy.
I think part of why I keep following this story so closely is the creeping sense that maybe we aren't all talking about the same thing.
@mls14 helped me understand what might be going on:
The MAGA crowd has been fed loads conspiracy theories about democrats and Epstein for years. Now that Trump may be implicated there's a lot of cognitive dissonance. Not about rich older men exploiting underage girls per se but about their favorite conspiracy theories being not only false but implicating their favorite old rich white guy.
Because there's no way in hell I'm going to believe that MAGA give a damn about rich Christian white guys exploiting underage girls. Now, rich Jewish white guys? They seem to have a different reaction to that one.
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The hint that this could all unravel comes from the relative indifference of large segments of the public to the obvious womanizing, sexism, and public lechery of the president.
Could there be people who don't see any connection between these things? Or is it that it only matters if you don't like the person doing it?
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@mls14 helped me understand what might be going on:
The MAGA crowd has been fed loads conspiracy theories about democrats and Epstein for years. Now that Trump may be implicated there's a lot of cognitive dissonance. Not about rich older men exploiting underage girls per se but about their favorite conspiracy theories being not only false but implicating their favorite old rich white guy.
Because there's no way in hell I'm going to believe that MAGA give a damn about rich Christian white guys exploiting underage girls. Now, rich Jewish white guys? They seem to have a different reaction to that one.
@CptSuperlative I don't think MAGA would have quite the same frothing desire to see the Epstein files if they were, say, the Emerson files. When you lowkey believe a lot of antisemitic tropes (eg Jewish men are innately lascivious and prey on gentile women) it is ~very convenient~ to find a Jew (Epstein, Weinstein) who really is like that. It reifies one's entire worldview.
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@CptSuperlative I don't think MAGA would have quite the same frothing desire to see the Epstein files if they were, say, the Emerson files. When you lowkey believe a lot of antisemitic tropes (eg Jewish men are innately lascivious and prey on gentile women) it is ~very convenient~ to find a Jew (Epstein, Weinstein) who really is like that. It reifies one's entire worldview.
@liferstate @CptSuperlative @mls14
Yeah. This has made me less interested in talking about it in the past. Same with those "intelligence connection" theories which I've never seen anything to support really.
But that doesn't mean I'm not horrified about powerful people do this BS. Let me at those files. Out every single one.
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@futurebird
I have a feeling that Republicans are outraged over a Pizzagate-like story of the Epstein scandal, and they would not be outraged about the sort of exploitation that actually happened.That's what I'm starting to think. Like if it's not bizarre and mostly about people they don't like it's not really important.
Which sucks for teen girls.
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One can hope that child rape and sex slavery are still something we can all condemn together.
What I fear is that Democrats won't pound this in the way it needs to be pounded in:
If Trump is in the files, they need to call him an "alleged pedophile" at every opportunity available. When MAGAs get angry, Dems/Libs need to smirk and say "I didn't realize you supported pedophilia, Speaker Johnson"
Every issue needs to be Epstein.
"One can hope that child rape and sex slavery are still something we can all condemn together."
IDK if the perp is someone "respected" if the victim is "troubled" if this if that suddenly a lot of people don't care.
And don't even care that such crimes dismissed and ignored open the doors to the few they can be bothered to care about too.
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Everyone has been galvanized, in condemning Epstein. It's been comforting to assume this means there is wider recognition that sexual exploitation through money and power of young vulnerable people is seen as criminal. A violation of self-determination and of bodily autonomy.
I think part of why I keep following this story so closely is the creeping sense that maybe we aren't all talking about the same thing.
@futurebird
I was a reporter in the late 90s and covered the Clinton impeachment and it was so wrong. He was guilty and should have been removed, but, it was the wrong charge. He was illegally harassing his employees. But to charge him with that would have exposed the rest of Congress to the same standard. So they had to keep it narrowly on “he cheated on his wife.”
