"Intelligence is as intelligence does."
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"Intelligence is as intelligence does."
There has been a bit of a row over on X about slime mold. "Stated Casually" a youTuber made a video showing that water can solve a maze in a similar way to slime molds. He seems to feel that those that say slime molds exhibit signs of intelligence are overhyping what is really going on and "confusing the public"
But, I thought the entire point of such demonstrations was to deconstruct "intelligence" to highlight how it can be mechanical and emergent.
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"Intelligence is as intelligence does."
There has been a bit of a row over on X about slime mold. "Stated Casually" a youTuber made a video showing that water can solve a maze in a similar way to slime molds. He seems to feel that those that say slime molds exhibit signs of intelligence are overhyping what is really going on and "confusing the public"
But, I thought the entire point of such demonstrations was to deconstruct "intelligence" to highlight how it can be mechanical and emergent.
The conversation on X had something of a tone of a debunking session. Unfortunately, although many of the fun pop-science discussions have moved to the fediverse there are still a lot of people on X. And because many people have left there are many voices missing from the conversations there (and many missing here)
I would love to join in the conversation but I don't think talking about how the concept of "intelligence" has been used to create arbitrary boundaries would be welcome on X.
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The conversation on X had something of a tone of a debunking session. Unfortunately, although many of the fun pop-science discussions have moved to the fediverse there are still a lot of people on X. And because many people have left there are many voices missing from the conversations there (and many missing here)
I would love to join in the conversation but I don't think talking about how the concept of "intelligence" has been used to create arbitrary boundaries would be welcome on X.
I'm very interested in this. I saw the Strandbeest guy talk about how he had encoded memory for those machines and it really made an impression that of been thinking about intelligence in a very dated way. I feel like most of the time 'intelligence' comes up in conversation, its very highly coded racism, AI very much included.
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I'm very interested in this. I saw the Strandbeest guy talk about how he had encoded memory for those machines and it really made an impression that of been thinking about intelligence in a very dated way. I feel like most of the time 'intelligence' comes up in conversation, its very highly coded racism, AI very much included.
Writing a good definition of "intelligence" is very difficult and the word is used in very different ways depending on context.
Sometimes I think the real definition many people are using (though they would not want to state it in this way) is that to be "intelligent" is to "experience and make decisions about the world in the way that *I* a human person does."
And no one would propose that definition because it's not very useful and very limiting.
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Writing a good definition of "intelligence" is very difficult and the word is used in very different ways depending on context.
Sometimes I think the real definition many people are using (though they would not want to state it in this way) is that to be "intelligent" is to "experience and make decisions about the world in the way that *I* a human person does."
And no one would propose that definition because it's not very useful and very limiting.
I'm always interested in examples of systems that do things that we think of as exclusively intelligent such as the strandbeest, slime mold, nest selection by ants*... because it brings the question into sharper focus.
On the other extreme you will find people who have made up IQ scores for various breeds of dogs. (What does it MEAN?)
*individual ants have intelligence, they can learn. But some of the most complex decisions are not made by individuals.
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"Intelligence is as intelligence does."
There has been a bit of a row over on X about slime mold. "Stated Casually" a youTuber made a video showing that water can solve a maze in a similar way to slime molds. He seems to feel that those that say slime molds exhibit signs of intelligence are overhyping what is really going on and "confusing the public"
But, I thought the entire point of such demonstrations was to deconstruct "intelligence" to highlight how it can be mechanical and emergent.
@futurebird yes me too!! sorta like how corvid intelligence is dramatically changing the game!
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@futurebird yes me too!! sorta like how corvid intelligence is dramatically changing the game!
But how can they be intelligent with such small brains! It can't be true. etc. etc.
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I'm always interested in examples of systems that do things that we think of as exclusively intelligent such as the strandbeest, slime mold, nest selection by ants*... because it brings the question into sharper focus.
On the other extreme you will find people who have made up IQ scores for various breeds of dogs. (What does it MEAN?)
*individual ants have intelligence, they can learn. But some of the most complex decisions are not made by individuals.
As a person living in a sometimes democracy and working in science ...
I feel like this applies to my human life too "*individual ants have intelligence, they can learn. But some of the most complex decisions are not made by individuals."
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As a person living in a sometimes democracy and working in science ...
I feel like this applies to my human life too "*individual ants have intelligence, they can learn. But some of the most complex decisions are not made by individuals."
