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Mastercard Claims NSFW Game Bans Aren’t From Them, Valve Explains How Mastercard Launders Its Control

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  • R rekorse@sh.itjust.works
    Okay, but If the sex toy store was named "use these toys on fake dolls of children", then MasterCard likely wouldnt do business there either. You are aware of what type of content was being targeted here right?
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    The article addresses the topic of how quickly the banning of this kind of material can get out of hand: > These are, it seems, the same people going on book-banning crusades that ensare such smut as Calvin & Hobbes comics. > > > *Magic Tree House author **Mary Pope Osborne**, children’s poet **Shel Silverstein** and Calvin and Hobbes cartoonist **Bill Watterson **have joined **Judy Blume, Sarah J. Maas, Eric Carle** and **Kurt Vonnegut** on a mind-boggling list of hundreds of books purged from some Tennessee school libraries.* > > > > *The removals are the result of a growing political movement to control information through book banning. In 2024, the state legislature amended the “Age-Appropriate Materials Act of 2022” to specify that any materials that “in whole or in part” contain any “nudity, or descriptions or depictions of sexual excitement, sexual conduct, excess violence, or sadomasochistic abuse” are inappropriate for all students and do not belong in a school library. This change means books are not evaluated as a whole, and excerpts can be considered without context, if they have any content that is deemed to cross these lines. This leaves no room for educators and librarians to curate collections that reflect the real world and serve the educational needs of today’s students.* > > > > https://www.techdirt.com/2025/07/02/tn-govt-saves-school-children-from-smut-like-magic-tree-house-calvin-hobbes-a-light-in-the-attic/
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    • R rekorse@sh.itjust.works
      Okay, but If the sex toy store was named "use these toys on fake dolls of children", then MasterCard likely wouldnt do business there either. You are aware of what type of content was being targeted here right?
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      Themes like “incest” and “rape” were pulled from Steam. While distasteful to most, these are not _illegal_ in pornography (local laws may differ). Hell, even snuff films are legal as long as they’re simulated (and not real video of actual murder). However, because of payment processors mainstream porn sites won’t host them.
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      • R rekorse@sh.itjust.works
        Okay, but If the sex toy store was named "use these toys on fake dolls of children", then MasterCard likely wouldnt do business there either. You are aware of what type of content was being targeted here right?
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        Which would contradict their statement: > Our payment network follows standards based on the rule of law. Put simply, we allow all lawful purchases on our network. At the same time, we require merchants to have appropriate controls to ensure Mastercard cards cannot be used for unlawful purchases, including illegal adult content. A store named "use these toys on fake dolls of children" is horribly distasteful but not illegal. I can agree that maybe that type of content shouldn't be sold, but I also understand that's my personal opinion and not necessarily the law. Me, you or Visa or Mastercard should not be in a position to dictate whether it's acceptable to sell such content.
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          MasterCard will revoke your payment processing for that.
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            Themes like “incest” and “rape” were pulled from Steam. While distasteful to most, these are not _illegal_ in pornography (local laws may differ). Hell, even snuff films are legal as long as they’re simulated (and not real video of actual murder). However, because of payment processors mainstream porn sites won’t host them.
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            For the most part films of illegal stuff happening are very much legal (no matter whether "simulated" or real), and it might even be legal selling them provided you have the correct rights to them.
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              Is there any other payment method that works? Use them instead. If no, then just boycott MasterCard and whoever else, it's not like you're going to be able to buy your games anyway.
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              I haven't heard Amex mentioned in any of this so, I guess they're ok?
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                Which would contradict their statement: > Our payment network follows standards based on the rule of law. Put simply, we allow all lawful purchases on our network. At the same time, we require merchants to have appropriate controls to ensure Mastercard cards cannot be used for unlawful purchases, including illegal adult content. A store named "use these toys on fake dolls of children" is horribly distasteful but not illegal. I can agree that maybe that type of content shouldn't be sold, but I also understand that's my personal opinion and not necessarily the law. Me, you or Visa or Mastercard should not be in a position to dictate whether it's acceptable to sell such content.
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                *EVEN IF* a store was named "use these toys on fake dolls of children" (because this name would likely not even pass local laws but let's put that aside), the store can sell cookies and take MasterCard. I'm going to play devil's advocate since the OOP is doing a terrible job of arguing their point. If my brick and mortar store sold incest books, MasterCard could say, "We don't like how you sell this one book or category of books." Like...fine. In which case they are being anticompetitive. The books aren't illegal. Distasteful, perhaps, but you don't see me complaining to MasterCard for processing bakery transactions, just because I hate gluten.
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                  Yep and yet they won't because it's incredibly convenient for them to be able to maintain that kind of control while disavowing it at the same time.
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                  The point is that this would force them to show their hand. Either they will exercise control in this situation or they won't. If they don't, problem solved; and, if they do then we know who the problem is.
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                    Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?
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                    • ? Guest
                      I haven't heard Amex mentioned in any of this so, I guess they're ok?
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                      I wouldn't know, I don't buy games ever since I found out I didn't buy games, merely licensed them. Which is kind of ironic as I would assume most of the censored games are available on the high seas.
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                        Is there any other payment method that works? Use them instead. If no, then just boycott MasterCard and whoever else, it's not like you're going to be able to buy your games anyway.
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                        Sadly both Mastercard and Visa have supported this practice and thats the 2 big ones.
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                          Sadly both Mastercard and Visa have supported this practice and thats the 2 big ones.
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                          Dang, looks like I actually have to do some reading. >Steam accepts major credit and debit card brands, including Visa, Mastercard, American Express, and Discover. >Digital wallets, such as PayPal and Skrill, offer a convenient and secure way to make payments on Steam. >Steam gift cards can be purchased from various retailers, both online and offline, and can be redeemed on the Steam platform. >In addition to these payment methods, Steam also supports other region-specific payment methods, such as iDeal in the Netherlands, Sofort in Germany, and WebMoney in Russia. Looks like there is a way. Is there a will?
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                            I wouldn't know, I don't buy games ever since I found out I didn't buy games, merely licensed them. Which is kind of ironic as I would assume most of the censored games are available on the high seas.
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                            Buy on GOG then
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                              Buy on GOG then
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                              Good point, they have a reasonable purchase and backup policy.
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                                If the payment processors are entities separate from Mastercard, then why not name and shame _them?_
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                                  Yep and yet they won't because it's incredibly convenient for them to be able to maintain that kind of control while disavowing it at the same time.
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                                  The proliferation of doublethink within the last ten years has been incredibly frightening.
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                                    I haven't heard Amex mentioned in any of this so, I guess they're ok?
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                                    They're a lot smaller by comparison. Not a lot of places accept American Express (and the few that do tend to do it for an increased surcharge), where many more would take a Visa/Mastercard.
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                                      If the payment processors are entities separate from Mastercard, then why not name and shame _them?_
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                                      Particularly as this is causing huge brand damage to MasterCard/Visa. If there is someone else who should take the issue, you'd think they'd point the issue at them and dust themselves off.
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                                        Good, point out their BS. Valve is doing lords work.
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                                          Dang, looks like I actually have to do some reading. >Steam accepts major credit and debit card brands, including Visa, Mastercard, American Express, and Discover. >Digital wallets, such as PayPal and Skrill, offer a convenient and secure way to make payments on Steam. >Steam gift cards can be purchased from various retailers, both online and offline, and can be redeemed on the Steam platform. >In addition to these payment methods, Steam also supports other region-specific payment methods, such as iDeal in the Netherlands, Sofort in Germany, and WebMoney in Russia. Looks like there is a way. Is there a will?
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                                          Use your Mastercard to buy yourself a Steam gift card then buy a product that is offensive to Mastercard with the gift card.
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