@futurebird If they were really concerned about people being pushed in front of trains, they'd install those walls/doors that open synchronously with the train doors that places with properly developed subways have. This actually has a ton of benefits (no track hopping, no trash getting down on the tracks, no danger of tripping/falling onto the tracks) in addition to preventing attacks, and is even estimated to pay for itself over time.

If a reporter asks you "What will you do about the ghosts haunting the city and turning our kids into toads?" You MUST say "Ghosts aren't real. No one can turn someone into a toad." Not "Many people are concerned about ghosts... we have a brought in the national guard to protect from ghost-related concerns. Nonetheless most scientists say ghosts aren't real. Blah blah blah..."

The latter makes you sound like you are nervous and LYING about the ghost problem. It makes people scared of ghosts.

@futurebird I agree, but I also wonder whether this actually works?

Sadly, I don't recally any time where someone said "here is the BIGNEWCRIMETHING and we need to do things about it", only to be laughed out of the election cycle because the BIGNEWCRIMETHING wasn't a thing after all.

Is that because laughing them out doesn't work, or is it because laughing them out sadly simply doesn't happen enough?

@jollyorc

Politicians are terrified of taking this stance. I don't think I've ever seen anyone take it. But what I have seen is mealy mouthed Democrats who try to explain their policy ideas without ever pushing back on the fake-ness of the scare get twisted up and ruined.

In the 80s there *was* a low-grade and ongoing problem with crime in US cities because their populations had dropped due to suburban exodus.

So a politician who didn't recognize that would get destroyed in media.

@futurebird If they were really concerned about people being pushed in front of trains, they'd install those walls/doors that open synchronously with the train doors that places with properly developed subways have. This actually has a ton of benefits (no track hopping, no trash getting down on the tracks, no danger of tripping/falling onto the tracks) in addition to preventing attacks, and is even estimated to pay for itself over time.

@Azuaron @futurebird

It might also reduce in the station somewhat and improve odor. It's much hard to clean smelly stuff off of the tracks (whether tossed food, or bodily wastes) than it is to clean it off the tiled floors.

When people, mostly transit advocates who want more funding to repair subway stations and signals and improve the system objected to the national guard last year they were written off as simple peace-nicks who protest *everything* and don't understand the political reality. "This will keep conservative NYers feeling safe, what's the big deal"

But it isn't making them "feel safe" it's validating the republican idea that the city is in chaos when it's just NOT.

@futurebird

The difference between being unsafe and “feeling” unsafe is the difference between reality and a fever dream.

Every “law and order” push I have ever seen in my lifetime has accomplished one thing very well: to make people “feel” unsafe regardless of reality.

And feeling unsafe is all the permission most people need to step in line with the fascists and support the targeting and oppression of pretty much anyone.

There are many older New Yorkers who worry about their kids riding the subway. After all they see all of the stories in the news. And the National Guard! *they* don't go on the trains themselves but they remember the 80s. (In the 80s the subways were much more dilapidated and crime was higher, ridership was lower which made it less safe.)

But when these older people tell their kids to be safe we laugh at them and brag "I ride at 3 am CALM DOWN" that must be be so stressful.

@futurebird As with the current situation, crime was overhyped in the name of policing. Very frustrating.

To your main point: I do remember how jarring it was to have tac-garbed people with automatic rifles standing guard (over what?!) in, e.g. Penn Station after 9/11.

At the time, my dad said, "They're trying to get us used to it." (The term "Overton Window" hadn't entered public discourse yet.)

He was right, of course.